Some say the raw lifestyle can consist of animal products... I'd like your thoughts

[dean_mitchell]

To start off I want to just make clear that I am a raw vegan (and 19 and male at that ). But I don't like just following something for the sole purpose of it seeming like a good idea - I like doing my research, and ask a lot of questions (maybe I'm too thorough?). Also please keep in mind that if your reasoning for not eating animal products is based on a 'no animal cruelty' philosophy, then you have my deepest respect. However, I am one that has chosen the raw lifestyle based on personal health and well being; and thus am speaking from that view point. So here it goes...

I was thinking today about all the reasons we have as to why humans should not eat flesh. And after all I have read, I have found the main argument is that we are not built like most carnivores (meaning no claws, we aren't fast, etc.). But I feel that we may have over looked something. And that is, our intelligence.

Sure I don't reason that be were ever meant to eat large game; such as bear, dear, rhino, elephant, yak, etc. etc... but I do ponder the possibility that we may indeed be intended to eat small game: rabbit, fish, wild bird, etc. This is based off of our higher intelligence. We do not need claws when we have the intelligence to formulate a small trap out of twigs.

Many argue that without guns and the like (if we were naked and without technology), we would only live off of live plant foods. And I must agree, or at least to a level of about 95%. What I mean is that perhaps we are designed to eat live plants for about 90-99% of the time. And every once in a while we were also intended to eat a fish, or a rabbit, or what have you. For example: I hear a bear, with its amazing faculties for killing other animals, actually only eats a diet of about 3-5% meat and the other 95-97% is vegetation, berries, fruit, etc. But have we considered the prospect that we don't need sharp claws as humans when we have a sharp mind?

Even if I am right, I would not think we were intended to eat more meat then say that of a bear (3-5%). Because if our meat intake is based on our intelligence only, I don't see us in the early years of life on this earth being able to trap more then a very minute amount of these small games - One trap may take a couple days or more to actually produce a catch. So my view of a raw diet has not changed through this thought process (I still view it as the optimum diet)!

Also as a side note: I venture to say that these animal products, if it so turns out that we may indulge on a miniscule basis, should be also consumed raw. Meaning the oriental dish (I believe its Japanese if my memory so serves me) sashimi is perhaps the best choice. And also, if it is land meat I believe it should be "small game" like rabbit, bird, squirrel, etc. And if it is we should eat fish then it should be river fish like salmon and trout (not ocean fish like halibut, shrimp, etc.). And perhaps even muscles and crustaceans, since they may grow along the shore where beach dwelling humans may have been able to reach them.

Well there you have it, my hypothesis. By no means do I think I am correct, I am only giving birth to the possibility. What are we if we do not question what we are taught? And for the record, I will not be changing my diet. Unless however, I find that I am correct in my thoughts above, and will then test this idea on myself (and will only then decide if this is what I feel is truly the correct diet). For all those interested I welcome you to contact me via email (dean_mitchell@comcast.net) and I will keep you posted on my findings. And for everyone, even if you would not like me to keep you informed, please do respond. I welcome, and would love, to hear your feed back on this topic. I know some will welcome the idea, some will hate the idea, and others may not know entirely how they feel. But regardless to your thought process, we must share our opinions, for knowledge is only gained through the questioning and hypothesizing and then research of many individuals.

So I look forward to your feedback and comments (and perhaps an email or two), and wish you all the best of luck with your raw diet.
-Mitch

[Don]

Hey Bwana, watch out the bears don't get you while you're hunting and twapping all those wild small games (by the way, where yous gonna go to do that? eh)

we'd point out that all carnivores have Very short intestinal tracts, and we have the longest. also, we don't have the carnivores back cutting teeth.

and by the way, have you considered why we are essentially naked? (not much body hair, unlike all other land mammals)


PS: why you want to correspond outside the forum, hm? within RFC, everyone benefits potentially, no?


blessings

don

[Lightlover]

In fact I directed dean_mitchell to this forum, because on ""another forum""
the topic was closed!

What a great pleasure we can exchange points of view here..!


I wanna add as argument that these predators (cats etc...) are sleeping the whole day, not a specific kind of positive example, isn''t it..?

Also these carnivors eat the whole animal (whole food!) including bones, skin etc.., we just take parts..

I am sure there are more arguments

LL

[dean_mitchell]

Well I'd like to thank the few who have thus far responded to my post. And with good arguments too. And in particular to "Lightlover" who did in fact direct me to this forum. Also I would like to state that my underlying reasoning is not a wish to return to eating meat, it was merely an idea that struck so I thought I would share. For as I have already made clear, I am a raw-foodist who does not eat meat or dairy or the like.

I'm sure those whom have posted have not covered all arguments to be addressed on this subject matter. So I encourage others to speak there mind. And again, thanks to all who have entertained my thoughts/ideas by reading my post.

Good luck and I wish you all the best!

[Lightlover]

Well, Dean_Mitchell, thanks whomever that there is a place where people understand that a narrow discussion is never doing good to communication.

One shouldn't avoid these topics in order to stay in talk with people with different eatingpatterns.

LL

[Pierre]

We are apes, and like other apes, we are designed for a diet of mostly fruits and leaves. Many primates eat insects, and chimps hunt both termites and mammals. So I don't see anything wrong with a little meat in the diet.

I have eaten raw meat, and still have a piece of chicken in the freezer in case I want some again. If I put some in my salad, I have to eat it quickly, else it goes bad.

We have the biggest range of any primate, and some populations live in areas where there isn't much fruit. So if you're part Eskimo, you probably need more meat than I do.

[michigan roman]

to me before the past several decades , and still at alot places on earth , life was a desperate / vicous struggle to survive . we didnt have tractors to plow the land and grow massive amounts of plant food , we didnt have trucks and roads to haul said food everywhere . so it was like kill a deer or domesticate a swine to eat during winter or you die . we didnt having sewing machines and textile mills all over so many had to kill critters for their pelts to wear as coats . we didnt have trucks to haul our stuff so we needed oxen or horses . bottom line is using / preying upon other creatures was necessary for survival . well thats no longer the case for some of us , we now have all that stuff and can thusly break our link in the food chain and begin existing as higher life forms . striving to make this planet / the universe a more civilized place for all creature types . thats our job here in america and other advanced nations as i see it , to lead the way towards making earth a totally civilized place , and not the butcher shop it currently is .

and to me raw is vegan , and vegan is based in respect for other creature types so it shouldnt contain animal products . thats how it works for me anyway , its vegan as the first priority out of respect for other creatures . then its raw for my own health .