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Old 11-15-2007, 08:35 AM
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Arrow Tis' the Season – Openly Exploring "GIVING"

It is the season on giving for most of us. And, in light of the "Helping the Divas" thread controversy, I wanted to fully explore giving and how you personally do it.

As a teenager, I was very "bah-humbug" about giving. "Why don't people help themselves?" I would always think. I felt charity & charitable organizations were handouts, and who accepts handouts???

I hated the Salvation Army Bell Ringers, the men pushing me to buy Poppies, and I really did not like the Jerry Lewis Telethon. What got me even more annoyed were the homeless people with signs asking for food or money on the corner. Nine times out of ten, the same corner they were on had a shop with a "help wanted" sign. I thought, "What is your deal, you are begging, so how can you be too proud to work???"

I have a very absent father, and he happened to come visit me in college once. We come from a small town, so being in a college town was something different for him, and I was nervous. We went out to lunch. We were not there more than 10 minutes and a homeless man came in and asked my dad for money! I was so embarrassed. I thought my dad was going to let him have it. He was obviously a drunk (you could smell it...), I just didn't know what to do.

But my dad got a very, very sober look on his face -- something I had never seen before. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a $20 bill, gave it to him with a small smile, and the man left. Afterwards my dad said, "I know he will probably go buy booze, but if that is what he needs, that is fine." I was stunned, this was coming from me dad, who judges everyone! Then he said, "Ya know, after the divorce with your Mother, I was crushed. I drank and drank and drank... I had no where to live, I fell apart. That could have been me...."



So, that day my very absent dad, who taught me how not to parent most of the time, taught me a great lesson in giving. I believe he gave for himself. He gave to feel good, regardless of how the gift would be used. He gave without judgment and expectations. He gave because he could see what it was like to be in someone else’s shoes.

Can you imagine having the ability to really see what it would be like to be the person in need? That is pretty powerful stuff. Can you imagine giving without expectations? Without judgment? Can you imagine giving to purely give, and no other reason?

Regardless of our current income and expenses, we all need something. Some of us need love, some of us need health, some of us need friendship, some of us need person growth advice, and some of us need parenting help. We all need something. Sometimes we need a little extra money, and when we do, the universe provides it in ways we cannot even fathom.

I believe in giving without expectations and giving until you cannot give anymore. You always reap what you sow.

So, tell me your thoughts & experiences with giving.
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:38 AM
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I'm bumping this up, because I think it is a topic worth exploring. I want to add my thoughts on the subject. But I haven't been able to find the quiet time I need to really contemplate my thoughts on the subject. Hoping that I will find that time this weekend and I look forward to sharing those thoughts here.

Meantime, I'ld love to hear from anyone else on the subject.

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Old 11-19-2007, 07:53 AM
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I loved you sharing your personal story about your dad RVM. I don't have one of my own to share (but wish I did). I have become more aware of how important it is to give back some of what you have been given and for awhile I belonged to the forum associated with "the secret" and loved to read how others gave back. Some would just leave money for others to find or if they knew of a family in need they would give the money annonymously. Things like that but those ideas were inspiring. I agree, this is a great thread and I'd love to hear what others do. Me--I help with my family. I know that sounds like nothing but I have realized that even though they are a part of my heart, if they need things, it is the same as giving to another family in need. You know the old saying, "charity begins at home".
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:27 AM
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Well, everyone know what I did for those two lovely divas via this forum. Smile!
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:34 AM
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Thanks to RVM, I did some heavy-duty thinking about what I, as a charitable person, have had done for others over my green smoothie break moments ago. Honestly speaking, helping those divas as total strangers is probably the best thing I have done in many years. It simply gave me nothing, but a complete sense of satisfaction, contentment, and happiness. Thanks for listening!
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:01 AM
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yes. we all need some help with something whether it's money or not. sometimes the helping doesn't just help us, but the person giving the help benefits as well... just being able to help someone in the same situation we once were or anything is very powerful. it reminds us of ourselves and how we have become much stronger, & we see that possibility for that person we're helping as well. it's not pity.

Finding out about RAW has helped me come to terms with my parents. My dad can gamble & gamble... drink & drink...I can see the destruction. On that same note, I can eat and eat and eat... I'm sure others can see the destruction in that. I know it's up to me to get pass my own obstacles & become stronger, but I never forget those who were there without judging me.

agh... I'm not sure what I'm rambling about, but the opening post reminded me of my own addictions to food & other things. Not drugs but they're still addictions & not very empowering for myself.

Thank you!
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:13 AM
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Oh JustMe! I totally understand! I put this in the personal growth section, because I thought it might spread into other areas. Your post led me to this:

I have a very addictive personality, if I let it! I have lived very simply, so I don't have to work on the "moderation" part, but I have to figure it out someday soon! I have incorporated this into giving as well.... I give away things like crazy. My mom thinks I am nuts! If I don't use something within a year (or since I moved last! LOL!) It goes to Goodwill. (I used to give things to my family & friends, but them they just took it cause it was free and in great condition. Then it sat in their cupboard.?????????) I also give away things I use TOO much. I am still in the process of getting rid of our TV, but my husband is against it.

I would like to think that I give just to give, but I like to "purge" things, so maybe that is why I give items away so much?? Not sure on that one.

I give too much of myself, very often. I am learning to say "no, I'm sorry" much more as I age. Having my kids has helped, I don't over-extend myself as much.

I guess that I am getting at is that sometimes, it is possible to give to much of yourself. Usually, though, I find many do not give as much as they could.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:16 PM
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I used to give & give that I went into debt. haha... really. As per my Ebay thread, I mentioned I was struggling last year, but I still cut the price of my auction! I was happy to do so though. So I don't know.

My mom sometimes tell me I act "cute" which means I act like I have the money to give away. We were going to visit my aunt, & I said maybe we should take something to my aunt, b/c they would be making us dinner & they, themselves, can't really afford to make so much dinner, too.

I guess we have to find our balance w/ giving & receiving!
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