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Old 06-24-2007, 11:14 PM
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Question More veggies?

What veggies do your toddlers eat and how do they eat them (what form)?
I have only succeeded in getting ds to eat some green smoothies, but not every day
Other than that he only eats steamed broccoli and the fruits we call veggies (avocado etc)
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Old 06-25-2007, 05:24 AM
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Unhappy No veggies here!

We used to have lots of success with veggies (when he was younger). Now, my two year old eats crackers. lol! He rarely eats fruits anymore. I keep telling myself it is a stage, but it is lasting too long!

Sorry, not much help in this department!
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Old 06-25-2007, 06:47 AM
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Danny Banany~ Welcome.

I get this question a lot. I am a big fan of green veggie juice, especially at young ages, however, it is helpful to begin introducing these foods at a young age because, like Raw Vegan Mama is experiencing, children tend to go through phases. One mother that I am currently working with has had wonderful success in "softening" many veggies by using a dehydrator. Also, she uses a baby mill to help make veggies softer. The only draw back with using a mill is that once the child is past that "baby food" stage, they tend to want something less creamy... We've used the dehydrator with much success for cauliflower, broccoli, small carrot pieces, mushrooms, onions, zucchini, squash, and red/green peppers. It is those wonderful leafy greens that are a challenge to chew during the toddler years. This is where juicing becomes so beneficial. I hope this helps give you some usable ideas!!!

Blessings, RawJules~

Here is an address for a baby mill.
http://www.happybabyproducts.com/kidcofoodmill.html
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Old 06-25-2007, 07:07 AM
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Thumbs up Great idea!

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One mother that I am currently working with has had wonderful success in "softening" many veggies by using a dehydrator.
What a great idea!

Also, do you do nutritional coaching for a living?

RVM
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Old 06-25-2007, 06:26 PM
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Hello RVM,

Yes, I have been working as a coach for about a year now. Although, I've been nutritionally working with mothers of young ones for about 8 years. I wasn't 100% then but we did raise our babies 100% for nearly 2 years. So, many have inquired and have adapted some of our ideas and theories into their lifestyle. We've even helped mothers who couldn't nurse or weren't able to for very long to create a "raw milk" that would be suitable for infancy. We cared for a child for an extended period of time that was a formula baby who we successfully switched over to a raw baby. Funny thing is, back then I didn't know there was a "raw food" movement going on. It was instinctual and then we learned of the benefits of juicing and then even later learned some ideas from the Hallelujah Diet (we have a local HD support system). I didn't have a clue about using a dehydrator to create living foods.... if I had, perhaps we'd continued to raise the children 100% ?????? but, I am thankful, I had what I did!!!

Primarily I am a homemaker, then a massage therapist and a raw food coach. In addition, we've been hosting monthly dinner parties for 6 guest at a time, lecturing and answering questions. It is so awesome to see others taking interest and so powerful to see the movement sweeping through....

Were I live is a very conservative area, not much broad thinking going on around here. So raw foods are very radical! lol~

To answer your question simply, yes, I am a nutritional coach for living foods.

Have a wonderful evening~ RawJules
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:28 AM
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Wow RawJules!!!!

We have so very much to learn from you! I am so excited! Thanks for sharing that. You life is so interesting, I can't wait to learn more!
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:18 AM
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Thank you RVM...we can all learn so much fore each other!

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Old 06-27-2007, 12:41 AM
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Words right out of my mouth...keyboard?

Hahahaha, I read RawJules post and then thought Wow!, interesting and so experienced etc. and then read almost exactly what I had thought in RVMama's post
So yeah, what she said
RawJules!
I don't have a juicer or a dehydrator but I do now have access to a dehydrator so I will have to try "softening" veggies that way.
I did have some surprising success a few days ago, I made a batch of Kale chips, and ds ate almost all of them by himself!!!
Yay!
I did have a food mill -it was handy, but then I started to just pre chew most of his food and that was even easier Plus at about 12 months he spent 20 mins taking it apart completely and only got it half way back together
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thank you too danny~

It is more of a challeng when you dont have a dehydrator, but it is nice that you have access to one!!!! we soften our veggies for kabobs and the like, and I have found that once softend, the veggies do alright for a day or so in the fridge. maybe that will help since you are sharing a dehydrator.

what are Kale chips? sounds like something my 15year old might like????

Peace , Julie~
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Fruit is more important

Fruit should be our primary food. Young children instinctively know this.

Some vegetables are simply not very well digested because of their cellulose content. Kale is one of them. If we can't digest it, then I don't think cooking or dehydrating or blending really makes it better for us.

I have good luck feeding my children tender lettuces dressed with squeezed o.j., defrosted frozen berries, or blended smoothies for dressings.

My youngest daughter LOVES avocado, but the other two won't touch it. Makes sense since the younger one needs the fat and the other kids don't need as much.

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Hahahaha, I know what you mean Margorie, my 2 and 1/2 year old has been eating so many I was buying them by the case (70 'cados!) but now he is slowing down
Fruit is wonderful, fruit is yummy, we love fruit, stuffed in our tummy
Summer is great
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Alissa's enchiladas is one thing that I gotten my 19 month old to eat with veggies in it.

He also loves to chew salads but spits most of it out.

We have also marinated and then dehydrated veggies for more of a steamed veggie taste.

Other than that, green smoothies and cracker and breads with veggies in them work the best.

My hardest part is that at 19 months old he is starving all the time. Yet, he doesn't eat very much fruit. Never enough to keep him full for long at all. Sometimes he will just pick at it and not eat it at all. It has been hard keeping him raw.

If I make a smoothie he will eat a spoonful or two.

He will eat pates and things that are full of blended nuts/ seeds. Then he is more satiated but I don't feel like it is a good thing for him to be eating so much nuts/seeds at his age.

I wish he would naturally eat more fruit. Especially since that is mostly what I eat.

I have four children and a husband and the baby and I are the only raw ones. That is part of the problem too. He sees what other people are having and he wants what they have.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:42 PM
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Oooo, yeah that makes it hard when there are people around you eating other food!
RawJules here is the Kale chips recipe, sorry to take so long to post!

This is my tweeked version so I really should call it Danny's kale chips
From Raw Food Talk:
Chrissy's Goddess Chips
2 bunches Lacinato or Dinosaur kale, broken into large pieces by hand

Dressing:
1/2 c sesame tahini
1/3 c apple cider vinegar
1/3 c water ~ more if needed
1/4 cup fresh parsley
˝ c onion
1 clove garlic
1 lemon, juiced
1 t. sea salt

Place kale in a large mixing bowl. Combine all ingredients in a blender and blend until smooth to get a thick consistency. You may have to add more water. Pour over kale and mix thoroughly with your hands to coat the kale. You want this mixture to be really glued onto the kale.
Dehydrate until light and crispy
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:25 AM
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Post Here is some more info:

There are some rules to follow to assure your child is getting good nourishment:
  • Never add salt, sugar, honey, etc., to any of their foods.
  • Only feed natural, uncooked, unprocessed foods to your child.
  • Teach them not to drink with their meals. On a proper diet they will not want to anyway.
  • Teach them how to properly combine their meals for best digestion if more than a single food is served.
  • Feed only three meals a day, and don't allow them to eat between meals.
  • Show them how to chew their food well.
  • Have only natural foods in the house so they will not be tempted by others.
  • Keep meals simple—don't combine too many things at once.
  • Do not stuff your child—feed only moderate amounts of food.
  • A child usually refuses natural foods when he/she has had enough.
  • Provide a calm, relaxing environment for him/her to eat meals in.
  • Teach him/her to sit and relax while eating.
  • And most importantly, show a good example. If you're eating all sorts of wrong foods, it will be very difficult to teach your child otherwise. That is cruelly hypocritical!



Article #1: Feeding Your Child From Two to Three Years by Paula Duvall

When your baby is two years old, you can start feeding it whole fresh fruits and vegetables, in addition to breast milk. This transition period can be a difficult time, and I would like to share with you my experiences that I have had with our two children.

First, let's review some very important rules to follow that are covered in Dr. Shelton's book, The Hygienic Care of Children. It is important for you to understand that you cannot decide what food you would like your children to have; you must feed them foods that agree with them and keep them healthy. Some important basic rules, including food combining rules which are covered in Dr. Shelton's book, are worth repeating:

Feed the child natural, that is uncooked, unprocessed, unsterilized, unadulterated, undrugged foods.

Do not stuff the child. Feed it three moderate meals a day.

Feed simple meals. Do not feed foods that are mixed in such a way as to cause fermentation.

Do not feed between meals, nor at night.

If the child is upset, or feels bad, or is excited or tired, or overheated or chilled, or in pain or distress, or is sick, don't feed it; if there is fever, give no food.

Do not feed the child cooked fruit.
And here are the food combining rules:

Do not feed acid fruits and starch foods together.

Do not feed acids with proteins.

Do not feed sweet fruits and acid (sour) fruits together.

Do not feed sugars or starches with protein foods.

Do not feed sweet foods with starch foods.

Feed only one protein at a time.

Feed fresh milk alone.

Feed plenty of green vegetables with both starches and proteins.

Do not feed butter, oil or other fats with protein foods.
Both my children were nursed; one until the age of two, and the other for only one year. Therefore, neither child was on breast milk during the transition feeding period at two to three years old.

The schedule that your child is on around the age of two, if fed Hygienically is milk, juice, milk, juice, milk. To start the transition to adult foods, the first juice feeding in the morning can be dropped, and the child can be given fresh, whole fruits combined well. At first, I gave my children only one kind of fruit. Now I give them only two kinds of fruit at one meal.

You may have started your child on this morning fruit feeding earlier than at two years of age. The fruits that my children digested well before two years of age were blueberries, any kind of melon, papaya, pears, oranges, grapefruit, mangoes, fresh figs, apricots, and plums. They also digested well any other berry fruit, like strawberries, raspberries, and any other wild berry. Here in Ogden Dunes, Indiana, we have a lot of wild berries growing, and our family has a fun outing looking for these and picking them. We always go berry picking around ten in the morning, so the children can eat their meal right from the bush or tree. You can't expect to take children berry picking without them eating the delicious fruit!

Fruits that my children did not digest at first were apples, bananas, cherries, grapes, and the sweet dried fruits. Both children had problems digesting bananas and apples in their early years. I did not feed them cherries because of the pit, and I did not feed them grapes because of the seeds. (The "peel" around grapes is not chewed well enough by a toddler and usually comes out whole in their stools.) Even if the grapes were seedless, for some reason the children did not digest them well in their early years. Now, of course, my five-year-old Jacquie digests all of these fruits very well. But I still stay away from the concentrated sweet dried fruits, such as raisins, dates, dried figs, and prunes. If there is fresh fruit at the market, which is usually true most of the year, I but it in preference to the dried fruit.

The best way to tell whether your child is digesting a food is to check its stools. If chunks of the food are coming out, then you know the child is not digesting that particular food, or is not chewing it well.

When your child is between the ages of one and two, I feel you can try it on the pulpy fruits. If the child does not do well with them, then put it back on the juice. When I first introduced fruit to my children, I introduced one fruit at a time. I found it was better if I gave them two oranges rather than two kinds of fruit at the same time. Papaya is quite a rich fruit, and one half of one is enough for any child. The overfeeding of fruit will cause digestive problems of protein foods. I also discovered that if I overfed my children fruit, they would break out in skin eruptions. I fed the fruit to my children between 10 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. It always depended on their waking hour. My son, Donny, awakes at 7:30 or 8:00 a.m. so I do not feed him the fruit meal until 11:00 a.m.

Now that Donny is over two, I give him a more substantial lunch at 11:00 or 11:30 a.m. and totally skip the noon milk feeding. When a more complete lunch is given the milk is not needed and, if fed after such a large lunch, can cause health problems. Here are some suggested larger lunch meals:

two oranges (small) pears
kale peaches
celery celery
avocado swiss chard

2 fresh figs blueberries (1 good-sized bowl)
celery celery
romaine lettuce bibb lettuce
apricots

mangoes papayas
celery celery
red-leaf lettuce brocccli leaves and stems

At 1:30 or 2:00 p.m. both children nap. My five-year-old daughter is the only among her friends, who still takes a nap. I have seen the other children in the afternoon, and they are tired too. But they cannot lie down and rest peacefully because of poor diet consisting of meats, starches, and sugared products. And those poor moms have a long day with their children, with no time to rest themselves. My children and I rest every day—the children nap for two hours. And it is a wonderful break in the day for me. These other mothers must be exhausted tending their children all day. I talked to one mother whose son is only three years old. He gets up at 6:00 a.m., does not nap, and goes to bed at 8:00 in the evening. Of course, when the child gets fussy, he is fed, and this makes it impossible for him to even rest because his digestive system is constantly overworking. By the way, this child has already had some serious health problems—such as constant cold and bronchial pneumonia last year.

When my children awake around 4 o'clock, I feed them a vegetable dinner. When you make the transition diet, use only raw foods. My children did better on raw foods. They eat less, chew better, and it lasts longer. They seem to overeat on the cooked foods and swallow without masticating properly. Cooked broccoli will slide down a lot easier than when it's raw. Also, the child may develop digestive problems from overeating cooked food. I found that cooked food came out undigested more often than the raw food.

It is good to try nuts. Pine nuts are very easily digested. They are the softest nut I have found, and the children do very well with them. Raw cashews were difficult for my children to digest. My children also do well with pecans and walnuts. Almonds are quite hard and not as easy for them to chew. Of course, my five-year-old now can digest almonds. Here are some suggested vegetable meals:

cucumber cucumber
celery celery
tomato tomato
string beans green pepper
red pepper kale
nuts avocado

cucumber cucumber
celery celery
carrot green pepper
kale romaine lettuce
coconut baked squash

cucumber
celery
red pepper
cauliflower

A nice starch meal can be given in the evening, as you can see, with baked squash. We use yams, Irish potatoes, and squash.

If you find that the child is starting to get sick, put it back on the juice schedule or a fast until it's back to normal. If the child gets sick from overeating or from experimenting with the diet, then of course you will have to fast it. Short fasts should be sufficient for any child who has been reared Hygienically.

The dividends are high when you bring up your children this way. They are healthy, happy, alert, beautiful to look at, and certainly your home life is less stressful because your children are not fussy and constantly crying. Do not cheat from this diet. You and your child will pay the price. Stick to the schedule. You can do anything you want around a well-organized schedule.
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yikes, sorry I must say my views differ a fair bit from that info!
I don't believe that children under the age of 6 should ever fast unless they are ill and it is self induced/their preference.
I also wonder what is meant by "milk"? do they mean a nut or dairy milk?
I don't feel I can have much confidence in the health info for kids, from someone who did so little breastfeeding!!! That is a red flag to me

Lastly, are they recommending that you feed a 2 year old a liquid diet? Milk, juice, milk, juice etc? Sorry, there is more, 3 meals and no snacks? Not even a few orange segments? When they are hungry? Plus I guess I am not organized enough to be that scheduled, if they are out shopping what does she do?
I am not keen on "scheduals" that don't factor in irregularities of everyday life!
That sounds fine for a playschool with a set schedule, but would never work in my crazy life, and my kids are not constantly sick or cranky, or if they are I usually know why (to many late nights, etc)
To my knowledge neither of my boys have ever had an ear infection, if you have kids you know that is saying a lot, I know 2 others who have had ear tubes put in to drain them from chronic ear infections It is getting pretty common. I credit my boys health (ear wise) with avoiding all dairy.

k, I am sorry, getting off rant box
RVM, that was totally interesting, thank you!
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