I just have to say something about the fast/feast thing...
Actually there is a good reason why there are different words for that. It really reflects something different. Fasting is not having anything but water. So, for instance, Muslims fast during Ramadan. Having juice would be cheating, for them. Feasting is what it sounds like. You eat all the juice you want (in the case of juice feasting). So if you think of ancient kings feasting, they had all this food at their disposal. Now, if you're in between, and don't stick to water only but don't drink 4+ gallons of juice a day, then you're "cleansing".
The person who corrected you may have been rude, and he definitely should have found a better way to do it, a more gentle way. So you're right to be angry, but still, there really is a difference in the terms, and that makes it easier for us to communicate. If a Muslim friend said he's fasting and came over to my house and I gave him juice, I'd be well intentioned but that would not be a good thing to do (like tempting him, if you will). Words are just here to help us have smooth relations with people
Oh, I'm nt angry by any means....I suppose it's more of a pet peeve.....
No. sorry, I still consider doing all juice to be a "fast." You are abstaining from food. Yes, you're right it's not a true "FAST" as a true fast would also be abstaining from nutrients. But I (and the old timers, you know many of those from the 1930's etc) all called it a "fast" because you're abstaining from food.
Heck I even led a group in what I called a "green smoothie fast" because you were not eating any "solid" food.
Yes there are degrees, and yes it could conceivably be a "feast" not a "fast," and yes, you "release" the weight.....but sigh........Just a pet peeve.
I think this may hit more of a chord with the older folks, like me, who have spoken this way for many moons and are used to our old terminology. LOL
My point was it's just "semantics." We still mean the same thing.
Last edited by marykays1 : 12-18-2009 at 11:13 PM.
As a hobby-hypnotist I've come to realize that semantics are HUGE! There's a world of difference between the way you feel when you're "feasting" as opposed to "fasting," even though they may be all the same foods. Same thing goes for when you say you've lost something as opposed to when you've released it. On the flip side, there's a lot less of a difference between the words "try" and "fail", or "hope" and "doubt", for example.
I've noticed that certain people have an easy time sticking to a given diet, and others have a much harder time. The thing I notice the most is the way they think and talk about it. Semantics are kind of like mind ninja moves in my opinion, and they make all the difference.
I could prattle on about this for pages if I had the time and thought you guys wanted to have your ears talked off lol. After all, I've been studying this kind of stuff for years, just for the fun of it, so I love to talk about it.
Oh, I saw this bumper sticker yesterday that said, "Urine trouble if you smoke." Hehehehe priceless!
The reason words are so important is because they reflect your thoughts/feelings. They both influence one another. If you feel like you're being forced into working, for example, you're probably going to say you "have to" go do it instead of you "get to" go do it. The words reflect the thought.
A violinist friend of mine pointed that one out to me, actually. She was in grad school and was busier than she'd ever been before, leaving her little time to practice. For her, it was a necessary shift, from thinking/saying that she "has to practice," to that she "gets to practice." Just a minor change like that made a huge difference.
As for the fast/feast thing, there's a definite difference in the way the two words feel. When you're fasting, you're restricting yourself. Some people even associate the word "starvation" with fasting, and not too many people like to feel restricted or hungry. But a feast, on the other hand, paints a completely different picture in people's minds; with a feast, there's an abundance of food instead of a scarcity. Food abounds, as much as you'd like. I'd take the abundance over the scarcity any day. (Plus, as Velvet pointed out, the only true fast is a water-only fast, so calling juice/smoothies a fast makes about as much sense as calling mashed potatoes and chocolate milkshakes a fast.)
And you're right about all the money that's gone into researching the thought-word connection. Unfortunately most of the research isn't being done to better mankind, but rather to better manipulate people into buying a product. Subliminal and hypnotic ads are a good example of this. (They're technically illegal, but corporations have their sneaky ways around that.) If you're curious about reading a bit about it, the field of study is called Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP). It's a lot more fun and interesting than I'm making it sound right now, and it goes way beyond semantics, which I know you're not terribly fond of anyway. But the stuff like eye-accessing cues are really fun to learn about: people look in different directions depending on whether they're thinking in terms of pictures, sounds, or feelings.
As for me, I don't think I would've stuck with raw foods for as long as I have if I didn't pay close attention to my thoughts/feelings and my frame of mind (and by extension, my words). Methinks I've prattled on long enough, though. Time for an avocado
The feminists had a similar problem trying to change perceptions and while I am glad that they managed to incorporate "Ms" into our vocabulary I often found myself in environments where being politically correct and re-educating people would be perceived as ridiculously tedious and would have created a hostile environment for me - so in the interest of self-preservation I went with the flow.
I am always curious to see how words are used to mislead and do find the topic fascinating. As far as "Urine trouble if you smoke" - is there a correlation? I seem to remember as a small child being warned to stay away from the burning leaves because it would make me have to go to the bathroom.
Be yourself - you're not defined by other people who just love using the latest buzz words. I've always been irritated by smug people who feel the need to correct other people with their own faddy jargon.
I dislike the word "Guru" as well. Nobody is my guru.
(Boy, did I just sound smug?!? Sorry, it is irritating to me more than anything else)
I am my own person and I say what I want when I want. I am not a sheep simply following a flock of like-minded individuals.
By the way, I would LOVE to lose the weight!!![/quote]
And going back to Velvet's post about fasting/feasting....If someone came over your house and they were TRULY fasting, chances are, they wouldn't be coming over your house! If they were truly water fasting, they'd be laying at home in bed!
I mean when doing only raw juices and calling it a juice fast. Yes, it's a juice feast blah blah blah, but we older folks called it a fast. Even the old pros like Steve Meyerowitz calls it a juice fast.....It's the same thing. I didn't drink anything different than Angela Stokes when she was on a feast! I just called it a fast!
But yes, I do know I can look at it differently : Like next time I'm allowed to drink as much juice as I want....not that I'm deprived of food and only am allowed liquids, for example....